April 9, 2026

13 thoughts on ““What Should I Do If I Think I’ve Received Revelation Different from Apostles and Prophets?”

  1. D&C 128:20, I have found that good people get revelation from the wrong spirit easily, it has happened to me once while conduction a sacrament meeting, and I said the wrong thing. Thank heaven it was not a big deal, but some times it can be. Since it happened to me, I look for it, and it does happen. You can know it at an instant, or it make some time. The Lord will reveal it to us as we repent while we say our prayers, then we can be forgiven for the mistake.

  2. Man, if only John the Baptist had these rules when we was an up and coming prophet….he might not have lost his head.

  3. I’m not sure I follow–
    1. John the Baptist was teaching orthodox, typical Mosiac-law doctrine on which marriages were allowed and which forbidden;
    2. John was killed by the political power (Herod Antipus at his wife’s instigation); this had nothing to do with prophets and apostles, or even the religious establishment of the day.

  4. I grew up hearing quotes similar to President Romney’s:
    “I assure you, however, that the spirit of the Lord will never direct a person to take a position in opposition to the counsel of the Presidency of His Church”.

    There are two problems with this: 1- It creates the false perception of infallibility relative to the leaders of the church; and 2- It’s incorrect. All one has to do is to read the church’s own essays to come to that conclusion. Better yet, take a singular example of the correspondence between sociologist Nelson Lowry and Pres George Albert Smith in 1947 relative to blacks and the priesthood.

    http://mormonstories.org/other/Lowry_Nelson_1st_Presidency_Exchange.pdf

    We need to remember that these are good men with biases and weaknesses; they are trying to lead a large church and sometimes they get it wrong. I believe (also based on personal revelation) that the recently leaked position relative to gays and the children of gays is incorrect…not just incorrect, but damaging and dangerous. As a member of the church, I also believe that I have an obligation to help correct false policy. We need to remember that it’s our church as much as it is theirs (the leaders). Their responsibility is to serve us, not the other way around.

  5. “Their responsibility is to serve us, not the other way around.”

    Actually, their responsibility is to serve God, regardless of what we might think or feel about a given matter. They answer to him, not to us.

    Elder Robbins explained this in a recent conference, invoking some counsel from President Boyd K. Packer: “A Seventy does not represent the people to the prophet but the prophet to the people. Never forget which way you face!” [“Which Way Do You Face?“, general conference, October 2015.]

    President Packer learned this from President Lee:

    “[As a young supervisor of the seminaries]…You must decide, to begin with where you stand and which way you face. You must decide whether you are a delegate representing the seminary and institute men before the Brethren, or whether you will, as I think you should, represent the Brethren to the seminary and institute teachers.” [“Which Way Do You Face?” Unpublished address, 3 October 1979; cited in Mine Errand from the Lord]

    I do not think it implies infallibility. It merely asserts that the spirit will not urge us to publicly oppose or correct the leaders of the Church.

    You may well believe you have “an obligation to help correct false policy,” but I think you will search in vain for any validation in scripture of the teachings of the prophets and apostles of that duty via public opposition, campaigning, or the like. (You are, of course, free to do what you like.)

    But, it has been my observation and experience that those who go public with their complaints and corrections will not receive–or recognize–the revelation that might correct them.

    There are many things which one can do, but that is a different post. A good place to start is Elder Dallin H. Oaks, “Criticism,” Ensign (Feb 1987).

    All one can say to an objection such as this, ultimately, is what Elder Oaks recommended:

    “This counsel will be anathema to some. I invite those who are troubled by it to consider it in terms of the teachings of the scriptures rather than in terms of their personal preferences or the canons of any particular profession. Those who reject the authority of the scriptures or our latter-day prophets cannot be expected to agree with what I have said.”

  6. The first thing I noticed was that not a single scripture was referenced. What do the scriptures say on the matter?

  7. Thanks Greg, a great read as usual and thanks for your testimony on the matter as well.

  8. Also, contrary to the words that people keep trying to put in the Church’s mouth, its essay does *not* disavow the priesthood ban or claim that it was a mistake. It merely disavows the theories that were taught in support of it, and provides the historical cultural context, and apparently lets members draw their own conclusions. It also mentions a fact that many readers have consistently chosen to ignore because it doesn’t fit their paradigm – namely, that David O. McKay prayed for years to a revelation to lift the ban, and God consistently told him no. Doesn’t sound like his biases and weaknesses were the issue there (unless we assume that he just kept misinterpreting God’s answer, and in that case, what a shame that God made a mistake in not choosing one of the clearly much wiser and more in tune members to be the prophet!)

    It is neither our church nor the leaders’. It is the church of Christ. And if God already agreed with everything that was politically correct or otherwise popular, there would be little need for prophets in the first place. If they ever ceased to be controversial and unpopular, *that’s* when I would be worried.

  9. Rob,

    I agree with the premise of your second paragraph–only those in a position of stewardship would receive revelation for those under their charge. I would not receive any revelation for someone outside of that sphere.

    I do, however, want to push back slightly against your first paragraph. I am an individual who has been active in the church my whole life, experiences same sex attraction, and have tried to live in accordance with my covenants. I have really been trying to be humble, but this policy has been very difficult for me personally. I have really struggled to find God in it, and I am still figuring out what my place is–or is not–in the church. I believe that the leaders of the church are kind men who are sincerely trying to follow God’s will. I also believe that they have their own biases and weaknesses, and that sometimes that is a process. I believe they love the members of the church and are trying their best. I guess I just wanted to share my personal story as someone who is struggling with any faith in the church leaders, but who is sincerely trying to not be set in my position. You are right, there are a lot of people who were actively in opposition to the leaders prior to this, but there are also real people who have been hurting and struggling as we have tried to find our place.

    I appreciate you sharing your experiences, and they are helpful to me as I struggle to discover what God wants for me and where I fit in. Thank you!

  10. I have all the time in the world for people in your situation. As I said, I think these moments are Abrahamic tests of sorts, moments of consecration. (President Nelson seems to have used a similar type of imagery or idea last night.) They can be very difficult–and as Elder Maxwell says, we will all be eventually asked to do that which is most difficult, if we are trying to keep covenants. John Taylor used to quote something Joseph Smith told the Twelve:

    ‘You will have all kinds of trials to pass through. And it is quite as necessary for you to be tried [even] as Abraham and other men of God, God will feel after you, and He will take hold of and wrench your very heart strings, and if you cannot stand it you will not be fit for an inheritance in the Celestial Kingdom of God.’ [Journal of Discourses 24:197.]

    There is no shame in being so tried. But, the approach we take can make all the difference in the outcome. As Elder Maxwell said elsewhere, it helps to know who is doing the wrenching.

    God bless you in your efforts.

  11. “first thing I noticed was that not a single scripture was referenced”

    There are doubtless many scriptures that apply.

    To pick just one, you have the case of Oliver Cowdery, second Elder of the Church, who in the very beginning of the restoration insisted that Joseph had done something wrong in a revelation he wrote. And, Oliver told Joseph in stern terms to fix it.

    The Lord’s reply was fairly stark in D&C 28:6-7.

    6 And thou shalt not command him who is at thy head, and at the head of the church;
    7 For I have given him the keys of the mysteries, and the revelations which are sealed, until I shall appoint unto them another in his stead.

    It does not, note, say, “No, Oliver, Joseph got this one right.” Nor does it say, “Thanks for pointing out the error, Oliver.”

    It simply says that it is not Oliver’s place to correct/command the President of the Church. Joseph holds those duties, and Oliver does not. The revelation doesn’t even address the rights/wrongs of the dispute between Oliver and Joseph. It simply tells Oliver, in essence, to mind his own business.

    I think if God can tell you or me that the Prophet is wrong and should be contradicted in public (a dubious claim, as I’ve suggested) then He is quite interventionist enough to straighten the prophets out without my or your help. (There’s an inherent contradiction in those who assure us that God has told them differently, but remains so laissez-faire that he is completely unable to get through to the fifteen members of the First Presidency or Quorum of the Twelve.)

    There’s also the associated episode with Hiram Page.

  12. At the risk of being reductionist, here is what I gather from your post:

    1) You are probably wrong
    2) Hope (and pray) you are wrong
    3) Be patient
    4) Be quiet
    5) No really, be quiet

    I don’t disagree with numbers 1-3. But do you really believe that if we genuinely feel something is wrong and it is hurting people we love we should say nothing? That’s not how I was raised – nor is it what I was taught every Sunday in church. There is a lot of room between negative criticism and faultfinding of church leaders and a thoughtful discussion of whether a policy truly could truly come from Christ. Such discussion can evolve ideas, encourage personal searching, communicate the needs of church members to the leadership, and most importantly tell someone who is quietly struggling that they are not alone.

    And incidentally, I am grateful for every individual who challenged the priesthood ban, including Orson Pratt in front of the Utah Legislature.

  13. Rachel:

    I don’t know if your summary is meant to be tongue-in-cheek, but I’ll treat it as serious. I would summarize (again, as you say, risky) as follows:

    1) Remember that you are at least as likely to be wrong as the fifteen you claim are in error;
    2) Be genuinely willing to be told you are wrong, if you are.
    3) Patience
    4&5) Abandon the pretense that public distension, critique, complaining, pressure tactics and such are derived from revelation to you from God. These things simply don’t fit with LDS doctrine of how revelation works regarding such matters.

    One may very well have a different view of how revelation works–but then one must, I think, be honest about it and confront the fact that one is acting (and encouraging others to act) in a way that is at variance with long-standing and well-established Church teaching on the matter. (That doesn’t mean, a priori, that you are wrong–I’m just recommending the intellectual honesty of admitting to oneself and others that one is doing this.) What one cannot do, it seems to me, is insist that what one is doing is simply business as usual, “what the Church really teaches us to do,” etc. It simply isn’t. Now, the Church and its leaders could be wrong about all that as well–but, if they are, let’s be honest and open about the degree of problem with which we are now faced.

    You say that you think “there is a lot of room between negative criticism and faultfinding of Church leaders and a thoughtful discussion of whether a policy truly could truly come from Christ.” It is not clear to me what that room is, when the President of the Quorum of the Twelve has declared that the policy did, in fact, come from Christ. To say that it did not, and to say that we have revelation to that effect, cannot be anything but a criticism and fault-finding with them. Exactly what ideas could we expect from such a claim that would “evolve,” save to evolve the view that they are wrong? What can “thoughtful discussion” add if we are claiming that God has told us they are wrong?

    There are, as I noted above, many things that members can do. Elder Oaks discusses many of them; I recommend his article. If you want to inform your leaders of your views, there are ways to do so: a letter to your stake president can be forwarded, or you can write a letter to Church headquarters.

    In conclusion, I wonder if President Kimball was grateful for “every individual who challenged the priesthood ban”? He, of all people, is the best placed to tell us whether such behavior was helpful or desired or proper.

    Stay tuned for another post on precisely that question. Thanks for reading!

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